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    Hello there.

    Let's stop the blatant shit posting here, this is not Spam Central. The thread will be reopened and you guys can continue discussion.

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    It's alarming to me that before he ran for president hip hop music regularly glorified his lifestyle and how cool it is it live life like trump. He runs for president and all of a sudden the left leaning hiphop artists all of a sudden think hes a racist scumbag. Seems fishy to me mate.

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    completely agree

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    He hates air traffic controllers and tries to undercut us with dumbass bullshit. I don’t hate him for it, but it’s definitely a slap in the face. I like most of his policy though that I’ve personally seen. I don’t think he has the highest morals by far, but I think they’re higher than the Clintons. I believe I am much happier he is president than I would be if Clinton was (and especially over Bernie lmao).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuze View Post
    It's alarming to me that before he ran for president hip hop music regularly glorified his lifestyle and how cool it is it live life like trump. He runs for president and all of a sudden the left leaning hiphop artists all of a sudden think hes a racist scumbag. Seems fishy to me mate.
    Maybe because before he ran for president he was by all appearances a moderate democrat? Even donated to the clintons campaign.


    Infinityward, you can believe whatever the fuck you want to believe bud and if I had more patience I would sit here and go issue by issue on your OP and explain to you why your opinions are stupid and some of the reasoning you used is down right wrong, but I don't, so enjoy your 15 minutes of fame bud.

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    thats a little hositle, You can believe whatever you want to believe and if my opinions are stupid then i guess the 50 million Americans who voted for him have stupid opinions too, if you like hillary or bernie im not gonna call your opinions stupid... everyone has there own beliefs, Ill disagree with your opinions but certainly wont call them stupid.

    im sorry to hear that, i didn't know much about what he does to atc, and I agree he dosen't have the best morals

    and how does that explain why everyone started to despise him so much?
    Maybe because before he ran for president he was by all appearances a moderate democrat? Even donated to the clintons campaign.

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    Anyone who supports the socialism movement has automatically lost my vote and with all these Democrats endorsing AOC im personally not a fan of the current Democrat party as a whole. There's two sides to everything but I'm more for less government and more personal accountability than giving every shit head that doesn't want to try in life more of my money. I'm not exactly the biggest fan of trump but he's doing better than Obama ever did in 8 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinityward View Post
    Hi, My stance on Donald Trump follows,

    Donald Trump is a Dishonest Human Being and his moral character lacks, that being said I agree with him on most policy. I don't agree with everything he does but I think hes doing a pretty good job.
    Immigration - I don't believe that anyone and everyone should be able to come to the United States, and the people from Mexico should not take priority over someone from say Germany, I don't believe that any one country should take priority. While I don't agree with some of his rhetoric I do believe that he has Americas Best Intention at heart. As for bans on the Muslim countries, I do support that until we have a steady way to vet these people who come from places where terrorism is trained and practiced.

    Terrorism can be trained and practiced anywhere my friend. Just because muslim extremists are the flavor of the decade doesn't mean that extremists are not bred in some of the countries you wouldn't consider 'shitholes'

    Abortion - I do believe that human life starts at conception because imo that is the only consistent point of life, while I do believe there should be expectations for incest/rape and in cases of the mother being harmed. If you aren't ready for a child DO NOT HAVE SEX, or if you want to still have sex use contraception but still realize that there is a small chance that the contraception could fail and you would be a parent.

    Nice man really showing us you're capable of cognitive functioning here. It's almost like this discussion isn't black and white and that a hardline abstinence/NO abortion policy has the possibility to do more harm than just leaving current laws where they're at.

    Trade - I agree with him on trade for the most part, China has been playing the USA for decades and it needs to stop. I don't like Trump using tariffs like there candy because they aren't, He thinks tariffs are great and wonderful but they aren't and he needs to realize that.

    Which parts are the most parts that you agree with? Over the last 40 years we've had a great trading relationship with China (Taiwan) and here are some figures from after the TPP was signed that will give you a little more context to what you're talking about when you say that china has been 'playing' us for decades.

    -China purchased $165 billion in goods and services from the United States in 2015, representing 7.3 percent of all US exports and about 1 percent of total US economic output.

    -Although some US manufacturing jobs have been lost because of the trade deficit, US firms sell high-value products to China, including cars and trucks, construction equipment, and semiconductors, which support jobs. US firms also export business and financial services, totaling $6.7 billion in 2014 and $7.1 billion in 2015. By 2030, we expect US exports to China to rise to more than $520 billion.

    -As China has become an integral part of the global manufacturing supply chain, much of its exports are comprised of foreign-produced components delivered for final assembly in China. If the value of these imported components is subtracted from China’s exports, the US trade deficit with China is reduced by half, to about 1 percent of GDP—about the same as the US trade deficit with the European Union.

    -America’s 11th-largest export market in 2000, China has grown to become the third-largest destination for American goods and services. US exports to China directly and indirectly supported 1.8 million new jobs and $165 billion in GDP in 2015. When the economic benefits generated from US investment in China and Chinese investment in the US are combined, the total amounts to 2.6 million US jobs and about $216 billion of GDP.

    -China is expected to continue to be one of the fastest growing major economies, creating growth opportunities for American companies— provided China proceeds with economic reforms that will remove lingering market access barriers in many sectors.


    The Economy - I believe that trump is doing a great job with the economy, for one the tax cuts are great. A lot of people say they didn't get more taxes back so therefore no tax cut right?, no you just didn't pay as much taxes, the tax cuts aren't in the tax returns, there in what you pay. Also black unemployment is at the lowest its been in history.

    You do realize that generally speaking presidents in their first term are reaping rewards of policies that were put in place by the previous administration correct?

    here's some complicated graphs to help you see what a fucking idiot you are. Notice the trends after the great recession. Seems like trump has just held the ship steady and is running par for the course:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A191RO1Q156NBEA

    And here's a nonpartisan congressional report on the effect of your dear leaders tax cuts if you really want to do some research: https://www.everycrsreport.com/files...26d75d35f4.pdf



    Claims of Racism -I don't believe that trump is racist, many of the "Racist" things that the media reports on were taken out of context such as the Charlottesville protest where a white supremacist ran over protesters, Donald trump said "There were many fine people on both sides", And there were, he was referring to the people protesting the taking down of the Robert.E.Lee statue. Also Trump has recived many honors and awards from black leaders.

    Not going into this argument but just know that this orange ape has made us look every bit of our international reputation and then some.

    Russia Collusion - The Mueller Report concludes that Russia did interfere with the 2016 Election but that the Trump Campaign did not seek to collude with the Russians and even were offered help but didn't take the Russians up on the offer. As for Obstruction as many Democrat Front runners and Representatives have been throwing around, Obstruction as a crime needs intent, If Trump didn't commit a crime in the first place then why would he have intent to Obstruct the investigation. He said he was going to fire Mueller but never did, he fired Comey for not publicly saying Trump was not under investigation. If Mueller wanted to recommend
    and indictment he could have, but he didn't because he didn't have anything to back it up with.

    Cool man, why did he obstruct justice for 3 fucking years over the case then? Isn't very becoming of someone who has nothing to hide in my opinion.

    TL:DR Trump lacks morals and lies a lot but has Americas best interest at heart.

    I'm sure in his twisted fucked up head he absolutely believes what he's doing is right for america. I'm sure most people in positions like that believe what they're doing is for the best. Doesn't mean it is though.

    I'd Like to know what you guys think of him and what you like/dislike about him.
    Sorry for such a long post.
    I think he's an embarrassment to this country and one of the prime examples of why promising administrative positions to your supporters a la Betsy Devos and others is a horrible policy to have. I believe that he has damaged the united states reputation on a world stage and has set up his friends and family as much as he could with the policy that he was/is trying to drive through congress at the expense of the american people. I believe the man is a selfish self entitled twat and thus is incapable of caring for anyone other than himself/people he cares about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuze View Post
    I'm not exactly the biggest fan of trump but he's doing better than Obama ever did in 8 years
    Care to elaborate? I feel like I lot of people throw that phrase around without considering it all, so I'm genuinely curious what we're considering. Are we talking economy or healthcare? foreign policy? Things that he passed through office?

    If you didn't like Obama because he was a democrat and focused on things you didn't give a shit about, sure that's fine. If you're actually saying he basically accomplished nothing, then I'd like to see comparable statistics.

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    1. China, China has been stealing Intellectual Property from American Firms with no repercussion thats what im talking about,
    2. As for the economy, you're partly correct on that and we will just have to see how he does in 2020
    3. He did not obstruct justice as you have to prove that they had an intention to obstruct justice..., the mueller report spent millions of dollars, 500 witnesses interviewed 2800 subpoenas, 50 fbi agents working on the case and they didnt find any criminal action by trump... now please tell me HOW DID HE OBSTRUCT? he did not exert executive privilege over key parts of the report even though he could have.
    4. Terrorism, Yes it can be taught anywhere but right now in this decade it is taught in the 6 muslim countries that trump banned for the most part.
    5. Abortion, how would it harm people to stop having sex? how would it harm people to stop getting abortions? its there fault they got pregnant in the first place so they have to deal with it, But the dnc platform is abortion anytime tax payer funded.

    Everyone else here has been civil, except you
    here's some complicated graphs to help you see what a fucking idiot you are
    . You seem very heated on this topic. I have said that he is very dishonest and lacks morals, if he dosen't win in 2020 then i hope to god no democrat wins because their platform has become, trump mean abortion on demand, no borders, etc. Democrat Representatives keep pushing Barr for the full underacted Mueller report which he cannot release under federal law, but they can view the less redacted version in a room in the house, although none have bothered too because if they did that would mean they cant talk about it anymore

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