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SpikedRocker
08-08-2008, 08:44 AM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/georgia.ossetia/art.jpg
Russian Tanks Heading To Georgia
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/georgia.ossetia/georgia.south.ossetia.gif

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/georgia.ossetia/index.html


Apparently they are heading to confront a seperatist region of Georgia but the rest of the country is in a state of "self defense against Russian agression". The country is in a state of chaos on the brink of full out war. The conflict was sparked by seperatists killing Russian peacekeepers. Violence has esculated through out the past few days with cease-fires only lasting minutes. UN security council had an emergency session to talk about the tensions in the region that seem to be hair thin. Hours after the meeting took place Russian State TV showed the video of tanks heading to Georgia.

GrayFox
08-08-2008, 09:39 AM
Damit you beat me too it, I was just going to post it.

This seems to be more intense than our Iran interest.

SpikedRocker
08-08-2008, 09:46 AM
Not seeing the connection with CNN being drama queens but if its true then NBC and AP are as well.

This situation reminds me of the Israli-Hezbollah-Lebannon thing a year or two ago. Prolly be a heated 30 day thing. And sorry GrayFox, working for news has its perks :-P

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/georgia.ossetia/t1home.georgia.gi.jpg Latest picture in.

Daze
08-08-2008, 09:56 AM
haha, so your our mr CNN aye?

damn soviet's!

Daze
08-08-2008, 10:05 AM
it was meant to produce zee lulz

Red
08-08-2008, 10:34 AM
Not seeing the connection with CNN being drama queens but if its true then NBC and AP are as well.

This situation reminds me of the Israli-Hezbollah-Lebannon thing a year or two ago. Prolly be a heated 30 day thing. And sorry GrayFox, working for news has its perks :-P

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/georgia.ossetia/t1home.georgia.gi.jpg Latest picture in.

Which news service do you work for?

SpikedRocker
08-08-2008, 10:51 AM
Which news service do you work for?

NBC affilate. Its nice getting wire feeds before websites get them. I always feel informed.

I post CNN pages, because I can't post things that come down the wire and CNN is usually the fastest at getting stuff up on the web.

**UPDATE**
Georgia claims it has control of sepretatists main city, they deny. Georgia also claims it has shot down 4 russian jets.

Veggie
08-08-2008, 04:46 PM
Putin is a madman.

Seems Russia is trying to go back to it's old ways of insane military spending like back in the day when their economy relied heavily on military spending.

SpikedRocker
08-08-2008, 05:44 PM
Putin? It's the inpronouncable Medvedevvdvdveevvdvevdved now.

http://www.itv.com//img/original/Putin-and-Medvedev-f9a1761d-0e08-4513-95ad-9da4391b5074.jpg

That picture says it all. Putin is in control and Medvedev is the face.

LegalSmash
08-08-2008, 05:48 PM
Damn dumb chronic alcoholics. They should stick to making shitty porn and trance music.

Slavic
08-08-2008, 05:50 PM
Georgia is pulling its troops out of Iraq to join the war.

This is not good news for the US

Lux
08-08-2008, 06:17 PM
Er from what I saw this is Georgia causing the problems.

I dunno the truth, you couldn't trust either country but the locals claim the Georgians are fascists so I guess that is the most reliable source...

If a country has become independant you shouldn't get it back unless they approve. That said however, it is annoying when parts of countries seperate themselves from their country, I guess it depends on their reasons.


But from my view, it doesn't look like Russia are trying to take the land, more like they are just trying to defend their people in the area.

SpikedRocker
08-08-2008, 07:25 PM
Er from what I saw this is Georgia causing the problems.

I dunno the truth, you couldn't trust either country but the locals claim the Georgians are fascists so I guess that is the most reliable source...

If a country has become independant you shouldn't get it back unless they approve. That said however, it is annoying when parts of countries seperate themselves from their country, I guess it depends on their reasons.


But from my view, it doesn't look like Russia are trying to take the land, more like they are just trying to defend their people in the area.

Georgia's government is actually alot like Russia, semi-presidential republic. The parliment carries alot of the soviet ideas though. The problem is that Georgia has a region that has seperated and worked autonomously for 16 years now. Its been peaceful due to a heavily monitored peacekeeping corps consisting of both Russian and Georgian peacekeepers. The problem that stemmed the attacks was the seperatists supposedly killed all the Russian peacekeepers. From then on tourmoil has been rampant through the area destablizing the region. The Georgian government says they have control but the Russians believe they don't and plan to take the regions capitol at all costs to secure the safety of Russians in the area. Georgia takes this as encroachment of its soverinty, saying the Russians are using agression to sieze control of the territory. Since the attacks have happened Russia took out a Georgian Air Base to limit their ability to observe the movements of the tanks. Basically Georgia fears that Russia will take occupation of the sepreratist region and use it as a step stool to take over the rest of the country. Both sides are out of line in my view. I don't see this conflict lasting too long, maybe a month at most.

GrayFox
08-08-2008, 07:48 PM
I don't think Gerogia has much ground to stand on, their country pales in size comparison to Russias. It wouldn't take long for Russia to overtake it.

matt 187
08-08-2008, 07:48 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/georgia_south_ossetia

Russian warplanes attacked three military bases and key facilities as battle.

SpikedRocker
08-08-2008, 07:52 PM
I don't think Gerogia has much ground to stand on, their country pales in size comparison to Russias. It wouldn't take long for Russia to overtake it.

Yeah but the internatonal community would impose sanctions and UN would probably remove them from the Security Council (which they really need to stay on).


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/georgia_south_ossetia

Russian warplanes attacked three military bases and key facilities as battle.

Wow. Its definatly a takeover of the region. Hopefully the UN will do something quicker than they did with Israel and Lebonon.

Kennith
08-08-2008, 09:28 PM
Georgia is pulling its troops out of Iraq to join the war.

This is not good news for the US

Only 2000



Interesting video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbXS9CNVotg&fmt=18

vanishh
08-09-2008, 05:59 AM
yea i saw that on yahoo things are getting real intense

Slavic
08-09-2008, 10:05 AM
Basically, I think the gist of it is, is that Georga is ethnically cleansing some areas and in the process has killed a number of Russians, to which the Russian Federation has replied to with force.

It is way to early to be throwing around the ethnic cleansing card, not enough info is known.

All that is known for certain is that Russia has violated Georgian sovereignty. South Ossetia is internationally recognized as being part of Georgia, and the separatist movement there are rebels to the government. Georgia had ever right to resort to military action to fully control one of its legal regions.

If such a region separated as such in the US, you know there would be US warplanes there in a heart beat.

SpikedRocker
08-09-2008, 10:36 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/09/georgia.ossetia/index.html

Georgia has declared a "state of war" against Russia. While war has yet to be offically declared the president has powers he normally doesn't have such as issuing curfews. South Ossetia is claiming 1,600 dead, Russians are claiming 2,000, while Georgia says its 100. Russia claimes the capitol of South Ossetia is destroyed.

Kennith
08-10-2008, 11:37 AM
Russia is also claiming that Georgia was killing innocent people, not them and that the bombings were artillery from Georgia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XasDmPo9RxY&fmt=18

GMan
08-10-2008, 03:03 PM
I lyke !!!!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/17/Kobraabm5.jpg

Slavic
08-10-2008, 08:11 PM
..The Georgians did use artillery. The Russians bombed South Ossetia, yeah, but that was after the artillery.

They used artillery to attack separatists forces. The region has been under separatist de facto rule and Georgia became fed up with it, and decided to take back its legal land. They bombed and attacked the separatist armies in the region, moved in, then Russia jumped in to protect its nationals.


http://www.startribune.com/world/26575139.html

Russia is now blockading Georgia and has sunk a Georgian ship. Despite the fact that Russia has almost complete control over South Ossetia, they still try to venture deeper into Georgia; bombing bases and cities deep in Georgia. Russia has more in plan then protecting nationals, they seek to toss out the Georgian Prime Minister.

Repeat
08-10-2008, 08:29 PM
Putin? It's the inpronouncable Medvedevvdvdveevvdvevdved now.

http://www.itv.com//img/original/Putin-and-Medvedev-f9a1761d-0e08-4513-95ad-9da4391b5074.jpg

PUTIN HAS MAN BOOBS! LOLOL

SpikedRocker
08-11-2008, 05:12 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/10/georgia.russia/index.html

Looks like Russia is gonna push to take control of a 2nd Georgian region. Forces in the Abkhazia area has launched attacks against Georgian troops. Many say these are steps towards a total takeover of Georgia's government. Even going as far to saying Russia is looking for more control of former Soviet states, to possible reform the union.

My opinion this would never happen. Many of the former states have been autonomous for more than a decade and still have pro-democracy influences.

SpikedRocker
08-11-2008, 05:37 AM
Thanks for that, needed something to wake me up, and a laugh works just fine.

Well this just down, Russia has no plans to remove its troops from the two sepratists regions.

Dracula
08-11-2008, 08:48 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/10/georgia.russia/index.html

Looks like Russia is gonna push to take control of a 2nd Georgian region. Forces in the Abkhazia area has launched attacks against Georgian troops. Many say these are steps towards a total takeover of Georgia's government. Even going as far to saying Russia is looking for more control of former Soviet states, to possible reform the union.

My opinion this would never happen. Many of the former states have been autonomous for more than a decade and still have pro-democracy influences.

Well so what if Russia take over the whole country big deal yes i know there "allies" of ours but still if you cant defend your country you dont deserve to have one.

Dracula
08-11-2008, 09:06 AM
Well i never said are leaders are that smart.

SpikedRocker
08-11-2008, 09:56 AM
And that proves...?

Both nations claim ownership of Ossetia. Half of it's in Russia, half of it's in Georgia (geographically). All it needed was a catalyst and the Georgians gave the Russians just that.

And Dracula, have you ever heard of Kuwait? Their country is so pathetically small they didn't even have an army, yet we got dragged into a war because of Iraq invading them.

It proves that Russia is not up to negotiations. And I just checked our wires, but Russia has opened a second front of fighting. There are unconfirmed reports that Russia has moved into Georgia, not the two regions that were seperatists regions. A cease-fire agreement was made but Russia is not even looking at it. Russia is pushing for a complete takeover of Georgia. This reminds me of Germany around 1935ish (my history is a bit rusty). Germany invaded Austria saying they had mostly "german" citzens in the country. This could be a prelude to something far much worse. If we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it. I'm sure back in the 30's people didn't think too much of Germany doing that. This is the reason why this is so contraversial. It could be the stages of World War 3. (Even though I personally don't think so).

Red
08-11-2008, 10:15 AM
What a massive shit storm.

Kennith
08-11-2008, 01:03 PM
What a massive shit storm.

QFT

Veggie
08-11-2008, 03:57 PM
Georgian websites are down from Russian Cyber Attacks, The government is using blogger to get the information out on what is going on there. Theres also a timeline of the events.

http://georgiamfa.blogspot.com/

http://www.president.pl/x.node?id=479

matt 187
08-11-2008, 05:33 PM
damn that sucks...wtf is this world coming too =/

Red
08-11-2008, 05:37 PM
damn that sucks...wtf is this world coming too =/

Nothing new

Slavic
08-11-2008, 05:47 PM
Well so what if Russia take over the whole country big deal yes i know there "allies" of ours but still if you cant defend your country you dont deserve to have one.

You got to be kidding me. The whole point of an alliance is to vouchsafe the sovereignty of those nations unfortunate enough to have large armies, but fortune enough to have friendly relations with us. Backing down and letting and ally get destroyed because "they don't deserve to have a country" will tell every small country that we are allied with that we may not help them in their greatest time of need. That would be bad PR.

phatman76
08-11-2008, 06:31 PM
Russia is basically the only non-western country that can actually INVADE another sovereign nation without massive retaliation from the west. Looks like that thug Medviedev is just another, more evil version of Putin. The Russian's are again seeking an empire, but this time a purely totalitarian one, not a communist one.

That country's government is so royally fucked up its not even funny...

SpikedRocker
08-11-2008, 06:46 PM
Russia is basically the only non-western country that can actually INVADE another sovereign nation without massive retaliation from the west. Looks like that thug Medviedev is just another, more evil version of Putin. The Russian's are again seeking an empire, but this time a purely totalitarian one, not a communist one.

That country's government is so royally fucked up its not even funny...

Actually having Medviedev as president means the flak doesn't head towards Putin. He's been the one instigating alot of this. He has been issuing the "warnings" to Geogia. IMO this was all part of his plot when he "stayed in office" as PM of Russia. Many people speculated this could happen but hind sight is 20/20.

I agree, Russia might be starting to form up the old Soviet Union, but it won't run the same way as it did then. We need to make sure that Georgia is not overrun and taken control by the Russians. Like I said in a previous post, this looks alot like what happened at the start of WW2. We need to maintain Georgia's sovernity.

phatman76
08-11-2008, 06:56 PM
I agree, Russia might be starting to form up the old Soviet Union, but it won't run the same way as it did then. We need to make sure that Georgia is not overrun and taken control by the Russians. Like I said in a previous post, this looks alot like what happened at the start of WW2. We need to maintain Georgia's sovernity.

noble but impossible. We can't touch Russia directly, ever, until we have perfected anti-ballistic missile defense (could have happened if Clinton hadn't fucked over the pentagon back in the 90's), frankly, Georgia's sovereignty isn't worth whether or not we get into a hot war with the second most powerful country in the world...

What we need to do is fight a proxy war against Russia's proxy "dissidents" in Georgia. Put a tow missile in the hands of every Georgian loyalist and let the fireworks begin...

SpikedRocker
08-11-2008, 07:07 PM
noble but impossible. We can't touch Russia directly, ever, until we have perfected anti-ballistic missile defense (could have happened if Clinton hadn't fucked over the pentagon back in the 90's), frankly, Georgia's sovereignty isn't worth whether or not we get into a hot war with the second most powerful country in the world...

What we need to do is fight a proxy war against Russia's proxy "dissidents" in Georgia. Put a tow missile in the hands of every Georgian loyalist and let the fireworks begin...

The problem with that is the last time we gave someone weapons was when Russia invaded Afghanistan. We ended up helping Osama there and we know how he repayed us. How to deal with Russia is a very sticky situation, half of Europes fuel comes from Russia. I really don't understand international politics too well but sitting idlely by and wait for it directly effect us is not a good idea.

Dracula
08-11-2008, 07:28 PM
You got to be kidding me. The whole point of an alliance is to vouchsafe the sovereignty of those nations unfortunate enough to have large armies, but fortune enough to have friendly relations with us. Backing down and letting and ally get destroyed because "they don't deserve to have a country" will tell every small country that we are allied with that we may not help them in their greatest time of need. That would be bad PR.

This is one of our problems we have to many useless "allies" who we would help do anything and never seem to do shit for us.

SpikedRocker
08-11-2008, 07:29 PM
This is one of our problems we have to many useless "allies" who we would help do anything and never seem to do shit for us.

Georgia actually has had 2000 troops over in Iraq with us...one of the few that have kept them in this whole time.

GrayFox
08-11-2008, 07:31 PM
This is one of our problems we have to many useless "allies" who we would help do anything and never seem to do shit for us.

But if you group all of them together, it adds up quite nicely. Espcially if they somehow came across some rare item like oil or coal.


Russia is basically the only non-western country that can actually INVADE another sovereign nation without massive retaliation from the west.

Where would we even start (geographically) to invade them. The countrys so damn big it seems impossible to take over.

SpikedRocker
08-11-2008, 07:37 PM
Where would we even start (geographically) to invade them. The countrys so damn big it seems impossible to take over.

Most of the countries population is in the western part. Most of the middle is useless and kind of seperated from the rest of the country. The thing is to learn from Nepoleon, do not invade in winter.

GrayFox
08-11-2008, 07:46 PM
The thing is to learn from Nepoleon, do not invade in winter.

And Hitler, don't forget about him :partydance:

Dracula
08-11-2008, 07:46 PM
Georgia actually has had 2000 troops over in Iraq with us...one of the few that have kept them in this whole time.

You are correct in that but if you look at what countries are actually doing somthing big down there they would be behind even some countries who dont have standing troops there such as Isreal. Yes they would help us gaurd stuff ect but the US and Britin have handeled most of the major anythings. Now as for if they did have somthing important in them oil coal ect. then that would weigh for them and Georgia does have the only pipe line for oil through there that Russia dosent controll so let Russia take them over and become more freindly with the Nation that has soon to be all of them.

GrayFox
08-11-2008, 07:49 PM
You are correct in that but if you look at what countries are actually doing somthing big down there they would be behind even some countries who dont have standing troops there such as Isreal. Yes they would help us gaurd stuff ect but the US and Britin have handeled most of the major anythings. Now as for if they did have somthing important in them oil coal ect. then that would weigh for them and Georgia does have the only pipe line for oil through there that Russia dosent controll so let Russia take them over and become more freindly with the Nation that has soon to be all of them.

Well theres not much they can do past us. We have more training and military funding. But hell, I'll take anyone who would go to war with us and help out in any way.

Dracula
08-11-2008, 07:52 PM
Well theres not much they can do past us. We have more training and military funding. But hell, I'll take anyone who would go to war with us and help out in any way.

Thats what they need to do if the people didnt want Russia there they would do as Afganistan did fight but no they flee there cities so I say if you wont fight for what you have then what is the point in having it.

phatman76
08-11-2008, 08:00 PM
A purely conventional war with Russia would result in our victory, we outclass them in every category of arms and capability, tanks, personnel, training, navy, air force, electronic warfare, logistics, etc... They know this, however, and would quickly escalate to nuclear arms. Again, we cannot bring our arms to bear against Russia without adequate missile defense. Defending Georgia may well be impossible, but that is not our goal, our goal is to weaken Russia's power and make it impossible to reabsorb their former satellite states. To this end, we must empower these states with arms, money, and the promise of more trade and favor if they fight back against Russia. Russia won't nuke Georgia, it want's to take over a country, not a worthless patch of land. Since we can count on this, arming Georgia and other eastern European countries and forcefully asking Russia to stop in every possible way short of actually attacking them is all we can do.

We can't pull another Afghanistan either and leave Georgia to crumble to dust once Russia leaves. We must take Georgia under our wing and turn it into a better defended, safer state whose loyalty to us is even stronger than before. That way the next time Russia considers attacking Georgia, it will not succeed.

SpikedRocker
08-11-2008, 08:02 PM
And Hitler, don't forget about him :partydance:

Agreed. I loved Eddie Izzards take on that.


You are correct in that but if you look at what countries are actually doing somthing big down there they would be behind even some countries who dont have standing troops there such as Isreal. Yes they would help us gaurd stuff ect but the US and Britin have handeled most of the major anythings. Now as for if they did have somthing important in them oil coal ect. then that would weigh for them and Georgia does have the only pipe line for oil through there that Russia dosent controll so let Russia take them over and become more freindly with the Nation that has soon to be all of them.

What he said ↓


Well theres not much they can do past us. We have more training and military funding. But hell, I'll take anyone who would go to war with us and help out in any way.

Yeah thats where a small country can make a difference.


Thats what they need to do if the people didnt want Russia there they would do as Afganistan did fight but no they flee there cities so I say if you wont fight for what you have then what is the point in having it.

Afghanistan had alot outside militias, hence Osama. But Georgia is resisting, the fighting is happening in the 2 regions where there has been alot of seperatists. You look at it Georgia is the 2nd grader who is gettng beaten up by the Freshmen.

Edo
08-11-2008, 08:07 PM
Interesting to read all this posts my conclusion from what i read here its bad what Russia does to Georgia but u guys support what USA does to Iraq or im wrong?

SpikedRocker
08-11-2008, 08:10 PM
Interesting to read all this posts my conclusion from what i read here its bad what Russia does to Georgia but u guys support what USA does to Iraq or im wrong?

I never agreed to the war in Iraq. I was in Army ROTC right before the invasion and heard though those channels that they were going in and I didn't agree with that. Mainly cause we never finished the job in Afghanistan. So I dropped out but I support our troops that are over in Iraq.

Dracula
08-11-2008, 08:11 PM
Interesting to read all this posts my conclusion from what i read here its bad what Russia does to Georgia but u guys support what USA does to Iraq or im wrong?

Iraq is another case of wich i speak cant defend yourself tooooo fucking bad for you if you get taken over. Also if Russia does pull out if Georgia do too pressure from us and others..... great now have a shitty back woods country happy with us and a bigger stronger nuke toating country mad at us. tell me who would you rather have happy with you?

GrayFox
08-11-2008, 08:21 PM
Their madness will not outway Georgia's (and presumably, the worlds) happiness for having us around.

Italian Jew
08-11-2008, 08:26 PM
I don't think any two powerful nations can stay happy with each other for a long period of time. The more powerful nations tend to fight with each other. You can't make Russia happy without compromising a lot of what we have now. It would be more beneficial in the long run to help Georgia out than Russia because Georgia would not have any aggression towards the US. Russia would still have a pissy fit with us even if we helped them into Georgia. All we would get is a stronger, more hell bent Russia in the future.

Slavic
08-11-2008, 11:13 PM
Iraq is another case of wich i speak cant defend yourself tooooo fucking bad for you if you get taken over. Also if Russia does pull out if Georgia do too pressure from us and others..... great now have a shitty back woods country happy with us and a bigger stronger nuke toating country mad at us. tell me who would you rather have happy with you?

Russia will never be "friendly" with us. There is no real need to appease them. The reason why we have so many "small" allies is because as a large nation, we rely on the smaller nations to move our military around the globe.

How do you think we got into Iraq and Afghanistan???

If we just allow Georgia to be overrun, it increases their sphere of influence in the Caucuses allowing them greater political control in that region. Not to mention a border with one of our most important allies, Turkey.

As with what Legal Smash has stated. An open confrontation with Russia is impossible, all actions must be subvert and tunneled through a proxy army. I'm sure the Georgians would be more that happy to be given "anonymous" military equipment. I also believe that the Georgian Prime Minister said that if overthrown, a large scale guerrilla war will be unleashed.

To those who compare this to the Russia-Afghan conflict. There are huge differences. Afghanistan was largely underdeveloped, lacked a proper economy, and had a highly decentralized government. All of which are prime candidates for dissent whither it be targeted at Russia or the US. Georgia on the other had, had a relatively stable economy, a proper form of government, and relative civil order. Such qualities will make it far fetched that the Georgians would turn on us if such a covert action occurred.

SOLANUM
08-11-2008, 11:54 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_russia_georgia

Once again we stick our noses where is doesnt belong.

GrayFox
08-12-2008, 12:06 AM
Where would you rather fight, the extreme heat of Iraq, or the extreme cold of Russia?

SOLANUM
08-12-2008, 12:11 AM
Where would you rather fight, the extreme heat of Iraq, or the extreme cold of Russia?

Cold of Russia personally. That has nothing to do with who we would be fighting of course but you can dress for the cold, not the heat.

SpikedRocker
08-12-2008, 04:08 AM
Just in to our newsroom, President Medvedev has ordered a halt of Russian troops in Georgia. Looks like the advancement is done. They are gonna quell any armed resistance. Doesn't appear to be a pull out but just a stop in further agression.

**UPDATE**
The Russian goverment has warned Georgia to stay out of South Ossetia "for good". They also want the Georgian president to step down.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/12/georgia.russia.war/index.html

**9:25 AM EST UPDATE**
Georgia claims Russian attacks continue regardless of what Russia media says.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/12/georgia.russia.war/index.html
http://georgiamfa.blogspot.com/2008/08/russian-jets-bombing-georgian-villages.html -> posted at 8:00 AM EST saying attacks are continuing.

Lux
08-12-2008, 08:37 AM
I don't see this escalating into anything serious.

Its a small piece of land and even if Russia invaded Georgie we wouldn't step in against Russia. Why??? Because we couldn't, you don't want to be taking risks of a Nuclear War over something so minor.

SpikedRocker
08-12-2008, 08:43 AM
I don't see this escalating into anything serious.

Its a small piece of land and even if Russia invaded Georgie we wouldn't step in against Russia. Why??? Because we couldn't, you don't want to be taking risks of a Nuclear War over something so minor.


This is the same thought process that went through many in Europe when Germany annexed Austria in 1935. But that was only the beginning. The main problem is Russia is so large of a country they will be hard to stop if they decide to do simular things.

Lux
08-12-2008, 10:15 AM
Thats the thing. But I don't think they would dare do anything big. I think even Russia know that attempts at World Domination are going to destroy the world.

No one wants to start something big, and it is only Georgie. I do think however there is a line, and Russia would be stupid to push the limit.

Kennith
08-12-2008, 10:32 AM
but it doesn't change the fact that a) it's not and b) the US Army skill-wise sucks. Sure you have superior weaponry and equipment, but you still need competant soldiers using them. Not hillbillies flying billion dollar jets bombing the shit out of British and American forces and laughing about it.


QFFT

PotshotPolka
08-12-2008, 11:05 PM
To be quite honest I think from what I can see Americans are getting all worked up about it and stuff and almost everyone I've talked to over here just doesn't care.

Also, phatman, yeah sure, the US Army is the best in the world blah blah blah whatever and more, but it doesn't change the fact that a) it's not and b) the US Army skill-wise sucks. Sure you have superior weaponry and equipment, but you still need competent soldiers using them. Not hillbillies flying billion dollar jets bombing the shit out of British and American forces and laughing about it.

List three situations where the US Army (post-WWII) proved themselves competent in battle without relying on other people or naming the war a "policing action." Or on second thoughs, one will do.

1989 Invasion of Panama to overthrow Noriega.
1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.
1965 Invasion of Dominican Republic.
1981-1983 El Salvador and Grenada.

These operations were actually quick, effecient, and over before PR went down the tubes and casualties were minimal.

Also, I would have to say regardless of pretenses, American forces fought well in Korea, especially while so heavily outnumbered after the Chinese offensive.

If we want to go talk about military prowness lets go ask the survivors from Dunkirk how they felt getting picked up by fishing boats after a few months of fighting.

SpikedRocker
08-13-2008, 04:05 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/13/georgia.russia.war/index.html

8 Hours after cease-fire was agreed on, 50 Russian tanks roll in to Gori. Cease-fire agreement was to prevent further advancement but it appears they are ignoring it. The region of Abkhazia has been taken by Russia. Russians claim the seperatists are driving them out but I doubt that to be the case.

**UPDATE**
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/13/georgia.russia.war/index.html

Georgian President says Gori is being destroyed but journalists in the city says it is not. They also go on to say they only saw a few Russian tanks not 50.

**UPDATE 2**
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/13/georgia.russia.war/index.html

NO CEASE-FIRE. Both sides accuse each other for breaking cease-fire agreement, Russia moves further into Georgia. Former Soviet Republic Lithuania says international force is needed to maintain Georgia's entegrity as a soverign nation.

Map that shows where Russian troops have control of. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/13/georgia.russia.war/index.html#cnnSTCOther1)

IMO Russia has no respect for international rights. I would be fine if they just stayed inside the seperatist regions where they claim they have alot of support, but moving into a soverign nation that clearly has loyal and celebrated citizens is an act of war. If the international community does not react swiftly Georgia will continue to loose ground and possibly loose the capitol of Tslibsi.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/europe/08/13/georgia.russia.war/t1home.ga.wed.06.ap.jpg

Lux
08-13-2008, 10:12 AM
Not hillbillies flying billion dollar jets bombing the shit out of British and American forces and laughing about it.


Rep plus :thumbup1:.


*edit*

Well I would but I have to spread rep before giving it to you AGAIN.

Daze
08-13-2008, 10:19 AM
if they try bomb a British building in Georgia we going ape ass on them foo's!!

calling a cease fire then going back on their word, thats what i call Russia!

Repeat
08-13-2008, 10:29 AM
Rep plus :thumbup1:.


*edit*

Well I would but I have to spread rep before giving it to you AGAIN.

Just give him your anal-virginity instead.


Unless he already has it.

SpikedRocker
08-13-2008, 10:38 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/13/georgia.russia.war/index.html
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/europe/08/13/georgia.russia.war/t1home.ga.wed.11.cnn.jpg -> latest picture from Gori, Georgia

Bush is sending Condi to Paris to work with European leaders to try to get these two countries to come to a peace then sending her to the capitol of Tsbilisi. Even though some people think that is the Russians next stop.

US has C-17's in route to deliver aid to the area. There is also debates to kick out Russia from the G-7.

suricruise
08-13-2008, 11:14 AM
Iraq is another case of wich i speak cant defend yourself tooooo fucking bad for you if you get taken over. Also if Russia does pull out if Georgia do too pressure from us and others..... great now have a shitty back woods country happy with us and a bigger stronger nuke toating country mad at us. tell me who would you rather have happy with you?

Why are you even posting.

For one Georgia is one of the only groups that have stayed to help us in the war on Terror. So we should just let them die and lose their country because they are smaller then Russia. That's Fail!! Russia is no treat to us, so why would be think we have to back them or they might come get us.

You also say if they can't fight and defend them self then why should they have a country. Thats more BS. Just because they dont have the same means like Russia they should not be their own country. DO you even think before you post? That's like saying the kid who is smaller then the bully should just die because he can't defend himself, so he should not be able to live.

ARG!

Dracula
08-13-2008, 12:32 PM
Why are you even posting.

For one Georgia is one of the only groups that have stayed to help us in the war on Terror. So we should just let them die and lose their country because they are smaller then Russia. That's Fail!! Russia is no treat to us, so why would be think we have to back them or they might come get us.

You also say if they can't fight and defend them self then why should they have a country. Thats more BS. Just because they dont have the same means like Russia they should not be their own country. DO you even think before you post? That's like saying the kid who is smaller then the bully should just die because he can't defend himself, so he should not be able to live.

ARG!

Well look at France during WW2 the Germans took it over but its people fought from the first day till there were liberated and if the Georgian people really dont want to be under Russian rule then they will do the same. As for do i think yes. Then compareing it to a bully and some kid is stupid the kid should not die he should if he cant defend himself mabey he should live with it or become able to defend himself.

SpikedRocker
08-13-2008, 12:53 PM
Well look at France during WW2 the Germans took it over but its people fought from the first day till there were liberated

France actually had little time to react to the Blitzkrieg. Most of the country was taken in less than a week. They set up small little resistance groups that till D-day did little but move information to the allies. Georgia is fighting but its hard to win when your air force has been decimated by a surprise attack. Air superiority is a must in any war situation. The fact of the matter is Russia has no business in moving further into Georgia. I am willing to say they had some purpose in controling the seperatist regions because they backed them. But to move into areas where those people do not wish the Russians to be is a straight up invasion.

Red
08-13-2008, 01:05 PM
I'm glad that we keep developing our missile defense program despite calls from pussy hippies to stop.

Never know when we'll need it now.

Thank god some of our politicians still have balls.

Thanks Reagan.

PotshotPolka
08-13-2008, 01:08 PM
I'm glad that we keep developing our missile defense program despite calls from pussy hippies to stop.

Never know when we'll need it now.

Thank god some of our politicians still have balls.

Thanks Reagan.

Hoorah for Star Wars, hellooo new NATO funded missile shield around the EU.

Repeat
08-13-2008, 03:23 PM
I'm a big fan of Georgia because they are good allies, but...com'on Georgia! Wtf is wrong with you!? They had to have known shit was gonna go down! They provoked the bully on the play ground and now they're being forced to munch on their own jock-strap expecting their big brother (US) to come help!

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about helping our allies in their time of need, just like they helped us, but I think it was a slightly stupid move.

GrayFox
08-13-2008, 03:46 PM
This just in: US to send troops to help Gerogian citizens.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/13/us.russia.diplomacy/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Beat someone to it finally.

Red
08-13-2008, 03:56 PM
This is getting fun.

Italian Jew
08-13-2008, 04:31 PM
I am going to play some C&C.

Maybe I can find a useful strategy...


:rlol::rlol::rlol::rlol::rlol:

Veggie
08-13-2008, 08:38 PM
Bush is sending aid to georgia. The Kremlim says choose to support Georgia or Russia, you can't support both. This ain't over yet ladies.

Lux
08-13-2008, 09:40 PM
Well I really don't think (hope) this is going to escalate over something so small as this.

That said however.......this is how previous wars have begun.

PotshotPolka
08-13-2008, 10:13 PM
Bush is sending aid to georgia. The Kremlim says choose to support Georgia or Russia, you can't support both. This ain't over yet ladies.

Support Russia? The closest we have ever come to supporting the Russian people was listening to Patton and finishing the fight back in 1945.

After listening to a few press conferences with that Jello-spine Georgian President he had it coming, he got suckered into inciting a reason for the Russians to mobilize and figured Putin wouldn't risk a confrontation with the West. Lesson is served.

Italian Jew
08-13-2008, 11:20 PM
No, he just wanted some borsch

SpikedRocker
08-14-2008, 04:29 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/14/georgia.russia.war/index.html

When I got into work this morning reports said Russia was pulling out of Gori, but now there are reports (not in the link) that they are pushing back into Gori. I expect more to develop this morning.

SpikedRocker
08-14-2008, 05:44 AM
How was Bush put in his place? He supported Georgia this whole time and denouncing Russias actions.

SpikedRocker
08-14-2008, 07:07 AM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/europe/08/14/georgia.russia.war/t1home.gori.thur.ap.jpg

Latest picture. And a follow up to the last update I posted, Georgia now says the Russian advancement of tanks back into Gori is to help extract their ground forces since there are still clashes along that front. Looks like the Russians are gonna take their time on this pullout. http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/14/georgia.russia.war/index.html

suricruise
08-14-2008, 07:35 AM
I am going to play some C&C.

Maybe I can find a useful strategy...


:rlol::rlol::rlol::rlol::rlol:

NICE!!! Maybe thats a good idea.

But yes this is something that makes you want to tunes into the news every day or even every hour to see what going down.

suricruise
08-14-2008, 08:25 AM
God, people should just learn to listen to radios again. Music, hourly news and a few hours a day of comedy.

I listen to talk radio allot in the day, and it really helps keep's me up to date on whats going on.

GrayFox
08-14-2008, 09:20 AM
God, people should just learn to listen to radios again. Music, hourly news and a few hours a day of comedy.

I always use listen to the radio. WBCN up here in Boston has Opie and Anthony in the morning, and then Toucher and Rich 3-7. Stream it on wbcn.com shamelessplug

Omar
08-14-2008, 10:13 AM
Georgia is pulling its troops out of Iraq to join the war.

This is not good news for the US

YAY! this is good news for me. Less troops in ma country.

Dracula
08-14-2008, 10:18 AM
You live in Norway right then its not your country anymore

AppleShark
08-14-2008, 11:02 AM
What Dracula said. Only, Denmark isn't Norway.

It might as well be.

Lux
08-14-2008, 03:31 PM
In the Olympics in a shooting event Russia and Georgia both got medals and embraced on the podium.

They are also in the same beach volleyball group. The Georgian's won, but they are actually Brazil rejects who were invited to play for Georgia...............

:001_huh:

Itch
08-14-2008, 03:39 PM
So? What do you expect them to do, pistols at twenty paces at sundown for gold?

Now that's the kind of Olympic Games that would really draw a crowd.

Lux
08-14-2008, 03:54 PM
So? What do you expect them to do, pistols at twenty paces at sundown for gold?

YES. This is what crossed my mind when I heard of it :drool:

PotshotPolka
08-14-2008, 08:19 PM
Pfft. I was hoping Gorby would say something interesting, oh well, the fighting is over since the Georgians won't be getting any aid militarily.

SpikedRocker
08-15-2008, 03:41 AM
Whats being reported this morning is that Russia has a third of Georgia under its control. Tanks are moving towards Georgia's second largest city of Kutaisi. They aren't really showing much aggression, infact confusing the PM of Georgia. His best bet is "One explanation could be they are trying to rattle the civilian population."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/15/georgia.russia.war/index.html#cnnSTCOther1

Nice map of Georgia, click to advance through the week to see Russia's push further into the country.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/14/journalists.shot/index.html#cnnSTCText
Turkish journalists attacked...one shot in the head, but is expected to survive.

Спецназ
08-17-2008, 09:43 PM
A purely conventional war with Russia would result in our victory, we outclass them in every category of arms and capability, tanks, personnel, training, navy, air force, electronic warfare, logistics, etc... They know this, however, and would quickly escalate to nuclear arms. Again, we cannot bring our arms to bear against Russia without adequate missile defense. Defending Georgia may well be impossible, but that is not our goal, our goal is to weaken Russia's power and make it impossible to reabsorb their former satellite states. To this end, we must empower these states with arms, money, and the promise of more trade and favor if they fight back against Russia. Russia won't nuke Georgia, it want's to take over a country, not a worthless patch of land. Since we can count on this, arming Georgia and other eastern European countries and forcefully asking Russia to stop in every possible way short of actually attacking them is all we can do.

We can't pull another Afghanistan either and leave Georgia to crumble to dust once Russia leaves. We must take Georgia under our wing and turn it into a better defended, safer state whose loyalty to us is even stronger than before. That way the next time Russia considers attacking Georgia, it will not succeed.

The United States would win a conventional war with Russia? Really? No. The United States does not outclass Russia in every possible way. Air Force? Sure, I'll give you that. But capability? Not only no, but hell no. You see, the United States has become over dependent on Nuclear deterrents. The US military is now almost entirely based on counter insurgency. And it's quite laughable that you bring tanks into the equation. I'm not claiming that Russia has the best tanks in the world (That prize goes to Germany and France), but American tanks have a nasty habit of requiring a horrendous amount of logistical support to operate. The Russians could easily cut off that support and run circles around the Abrams tanks after they run out of fuel (which happens very quickly when they don't have miles of fuel trucks following close behind.) And then you state that Russia would simply turn to Nuclear weapons at the first sight of conflict. Need I remind you that NATO's invasion contingency plan during the cold war was to use tactical nukes against Russian armor because they couldn't conceivably win otherwise. Even if you're right about the tanks and air force (your definitely not right when it comes to small arms) you're forgetting one factor that's been changing the outcomes of wars since wars were fought... sheer numbers. Sure the US has super high-tech jets and tanks, but how many do they really have? I would bet big bucks that Russia has ten times more of both. It may not be as high tech, but you have to run out of ammo sometime. The same goes for troops, especially when it comes to special forces. While not in the same numbers as during the cold war, Russia has a much larger number of special forces units at it's disposal with MUCH more rigorous training. I believe Stalin said it best, quantity has it's own quality.

PotshotPolka
08-17-2008, 10:17 PM
The United States would win a conventional war with Russia? Really? No. The United States does not outclass Russia in every possible way. Air Force? Sure, I'll give you that. But capability? Not only no, but hell no. You see, the United States has become over dependent on Nuclear deterrents. The US military is now almost entirely based on counter insurgency. And it's quite laughable that you bring tanks into the equation. I'm not claiming that Russia has the best tanks in the world (That prize goes to Germany and France), but American tanks have a nasty habit of requiring a horrendous amount of logistical support to operate. The Russians could easily cut off that support and run circles around the Abrams tanks after they run out of fuel (which happens very quickly when they don't have miles of fuel trucks following close behind.) And then you state that Russia would simply turn to Nuclear weapons at the first sight of conflict. Need I remind you that NATO's invasion contingency plan during the cold war was to use tactical nukes against Russian armor because they couldn't conceivably win otherwise. Even if you're right about the tanks and air force (your definitely not right when it comes to small arms) you're forgetting one factor that's been changing the outcomes of wars since wars were fought... sheer numbers. Sure the US has super high-tech jets and tanks, but how many do they really have? I would bet big bucks that Russia has ten times more of both. It may not be as high tech, but you have to run out of ammo sometime. The same goes for troops, especially when it comes to special forces. While not in the same numbers as during the cold war, Russia has a much larger number of special forces units at it's disposal with MUCH more rigorous training. I believe Stalin said it best, quantity has it's own quality.

Well good for them, the Russian T-70s and T-80s can run circles around Abrams, which have a disturbingly fast turret swivel speed and then they can enjoy a good ol' depleted uranium round through the center chassis, tearing the turret clear off of the tank and turning the crew into a fine mist.

Do people really keep up with the times?

B-2 Spirits are 2.2 Billion dollars, that's half the budget of backwater Georgia which is full of Russians and paramilitary weekend warriors.
We have 20 of them, each capable of striking any target in the world scot-free.

Military numbers < Ability to easily disrupt supplies, communications, and superior fighting units.

America's strategy since WW2 has always been the same, tiers of combat from support to frontline forces. It's a strategy that may not work against a bunch of villagers that hide mines in shrubs, but if you look at Desert Shield and even the sloppier Iraqi Freedom it's a good case study of where the U.S. does stand.

Zero001
08-17-2008, 11:09 PM
I'm interrupting this important thread for a brief comical interruption:

CLICK ME!!! (http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/simpsons-soviet-union-p1.php)


That is all.

Спецназ
08-18-2008, 01:26 AM
Well good for them, the Russian T-70s and T-80s can run circles around Abrams, which have a disturbingly fast turret swivel speed and then they can enjoy a good ol' depleted uranium round through the center chassis, tearing the turret clear off of the tank and turning the crew into a fine mist.

Do people really keep up with the times?

B-2 Spirits are 2.2 Billion dollars, that's half the budget of backwater Georgia which is full of Russians and paramilitary weekend warriors.
We have 20 of them, each capable of striking any target in the world scot-free.

Military numbers < Ability to easily disrupt supplies, communications, and superior fighting units.

America's strategy since WW2 has always been the same, tiers of combat from support to frontline forces. It's a strategy that may not work against a bunch of villagers that hide mines in shrubs, but if you look at Desert Shield and even the sloppier Iraqi Freedom it's a good case study of where the U.S. does stand.

I'm sure the Abrams has a great swivel speed, but how many tanks can it target at once? One. So that amounts to approximately dick when your facing a Russian force ten times the size of your own. It also seems that everyone here is basing their knowledge of the T-72 from it's terrible performance in Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom (...such an awful operation name). But according to Jane's International Defense Review: "this might have more to do with poor Iraqi crew training and full Allied air supremacy than with any deficiencies of the T-72 itself. Furthermore, while facing the most modern Western tanks, the versions the Iraqi army fielded were out of date at the time. The Iraqi T-72s were downgraded export versions that had not been significantly upgraded, and were firing inferior ammunition (often with steel penetrators and half-charges of propellant)." The same review also states: "its 125 mm 2A46 main gun is capable of destroying any modern main battle tank in the world today, including the M1 Abrams." And on top of all of this, the T-72 is extremely inexpensive. And is the cost of the B-2 really something to be bragging about? I'm sure Russian aircraft cost a fraction of that to build.
I'm also really sick and tired of people using Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom as "examples" of how much the US military kicks ass. I'm sure that most modern armies could have raped Iraq's face in the same way, if not more effectively, as the US. And just so you know, just about every modern army on earth has access to depleted uranium rounds, the US isn't that special.

Italian Jew
08-18-2008, 02:22 AM
I would like to judge our arsenal based on a real war (but I am not crossing my fingers for one). So far it has only been used in little skirmishes here and there. It all looks good on paper, but when you are fighting an army as large and as powerful as you, things can change.


Not that I am saying our stuff is worthless. It has been very effective in the little conflicts we've been involved with. If however another force is able to down our expensive aircraft and vehicles with a significantly lower amount of money than the cost to produce our stuff, then it would seem to be a loss on our part. This is all just a matter of ifs though, so don't feel too terribly offended.

James
08-18-2008, 03:12 AM
Russia has a larger army than the US. End of.

cOff-
08-18-2008, 03:47 AM
Russia threatened poland with nukes too... After Georgia, Estonia's probably next.... :( Fucking Russians and they're warish behaviour

Daze
08-18-2008, 04:06 AM
this thread is very tense :)

http://images.beijing2008.cn/20070604/Img214087246.jpg

Zero001
08-18-2008, 06:04 AM
Russia has a larger army than the US. End of.
Don't be so naive. If this goes down, it'll be a NATO matter. This Brits along with the other nations will play a roll in this one.

This is Russia we're dealing with not the Soviet Union. There are less than half the citizens and it's current Air Force and Navy are way inferior to that of the U.S. They do have a crap load of tanks though. If things do get serious Europe would take most of the hit, not the U.S. That is unless they decide to use ICBM's in which case we are guaranteed mutual destruction.


Russia threatened poland with nukes too... After Georgia, Estonia's probably next.... :( Fucking Russians and they're warish behaviour

Poland is a NATO country. They always gets threaten when things heat up with the US. Poland is a strategic target for Russia because of the American installation based in the that country.


AHAHAHA, that's awesome. "Yes, that's what we wanted you to think!"

Glad you enjoyed it :thumbup1:


this thread is very tense :)


That's because people turn it into a chest bumping match, which is essentially what is happening. No one really wants this to happen. (I hope)

Daze
08-18-2008, 07:14 AM
I doubt it's done intentionally, it's just patriotic people standing up for their country.

SpikedRocker
08-18-2008, 07:15 AM
That's because people turn it into a chest bumping match, which is essentially what is happening. No one really wants this to happen. (I hope)


Which I never wanted when I created this thread. I just wanted to keep people informed of the situation.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/18/georgia.russia.war/index.html
Speaking of which theres reports of Russian withdrawal from Georgia to the seperatist regions.

LegalSmash
08-18-2008, 08:16 AM
In Putin's Russia Tanks roll on Georgia TOO!!!

James
08-18-2008, 08:52 AM
LOL!! Lenin coming back to life!!

GRRRRRRR!! Must.. crush capitalism!!!

Repeat
08-18-2008, 08:58 AM
Russia would get fucked up by NATO. End of.











FUCKED UP!

AndreiD
08-18-2008, 09:57 AM
War is good, Romania sells lots of weapons in times of war, coutries get bombed and our economy blooms.

Daze
08-18-2008, 09:59 AM
Russia would get fucked up by NATO. End of.











FUCKED UP!

lmao, felt like saying that...but it would just add to the tension here.

PotshotPolka
08-18-2008, 10:54 AM
Another thing is this bullshit about "Well it all comes down to the soldiers, since no one would ever use nukes."

I think in a full-scale conflict nukes ARE an option, especially so since Reagan's little SDI project is still underway, and while it lacks lasers and satellites with rockets pointing every which way it is actually capable of intercepting a massive number of incoming missiles of varying sizes and trajectories (ICBMs-shorter range missiles from subs).

GrayFox
08-18-2008, 12:14 PM
Nukes cause massive damage to the enviroment. Enoughso That I'd say their our main cause of Global warming. Think of all the heat of fire going into the air, the smoke, and then the nuclear fallout going into our water supplies and forests. I prefer just guns, tanks, and smaller bombs.

Repeat
08-18-2008, 02:19 PM
War is good, Romania sells lots of weapons in times of war, coutries get bombed and our economy blooms.

Like...like a flower?:blush:

Italian Jew
08-18-2008, 03:00 PM
No, like an onion


http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6224/bloominonionpp1.jpg

"Let's go Outback tonight!"

Dracula
08-18-2008, 03:39 PM
If Russia does want to attack more and start a big war with the USA and NATO they will do well at first because of the numbers but we have much more firepower then they do and would blow them back to the stone age [without nukes].

Спецназ
08-18-2008, 05:48 PM
If Russia does want to attack more and start a big war with the USA and NATO they will do well at first because of the numbers but we have much more firepower then they do and would blow them back to the stone age [without nukes].

It's gross over estimations like those that makes the US such a dangerous nation. Besides, if you want to throw NATO into the mix you have to account for the Russian/Chinese military alliance that's been in effect since 2005. And trust me, the PLA isn't the backwoods peasant army from the Korean War, they're very organized and add a very substantial numbers margin in favor of Russia. Ok, I'll stop hijacking the thread now, I just needed to get it out of my system.

Zero001
08-18-2008, 06:22 PM
It's gross over estimations like those that makes the US such a dangerous nation. Besides, if you want to throw NATO into the mix you have to account for the Russian/Chinese military alliance that's been in effect since 2005. And trust me, the PLA isn't the backwoods peasant army from the Korean War, they're very organized and add a very substantial numbers margin in favor of Russia. Ok, I'll stop hijacking the thread now, I just needed to get it out of my system.

The Chinese military wouldn't raise a finger for Russia in this day and age. They would be pissing off their greatest customers. If anything the Chinese are looking at Russia's oil reserves. If they had the chance China would move on them if they could.

Again it's a chest bumping contest.

PotshotPolka
08-18-2008, 06:45 PM
The Chinese military wouldn't raise a finger for Russia in this day and age. They would be pissing off their greatest customers. If anything the Chinese are looking at Russia's oil reserves. If they had the chance China would move on them if they could.

Again it's a chest bumping contest.

And lucky for us I hear the Chinese are only four feet tall!


Except for the Olympians, they're robots.

Repeat
08-18-2008, 09:19 PM
It's gross over estimations like those that makes the US such a dangerous nation. Besides, if you want to throw NATO into the mix you have to account for the Russian/Chinese military alliance that's been in effect since 2005. And trust me, the PLA isn't the backwoods peasant army from the Korean War, they're very organized and add a very substantial numbers margin in favor of Russia. Ok, I'll stop hijacking the thread now, I just needed to get it out of my system.

We're better than them, hands down.

US + UK > Russia + China

Any day of the week, and twice on doomsday.

LitKey
08-18-2008, 09:34 PM
And lucky for us I hear the Chinese are only four feet tall!


Except for the Olympians, they're robots.

LOL. Reminds me of the psychological warfare during WW2. When the Japanese were anticipating a huge land invasion of Japan à la Normandy (before we dropped the atom bombs), we dropped these HUGE supplies of MagnumXL-sized condoms as if we already knew for sure we'd win the ground invasion AND would be having some "me love you long time" with their women. :thumbup1:

LegalSmash
08-18-2008, 10:02 PM
and now, we have Japanese porn, where the little 4 foot Japanese woman takes the fat end of a baseball bat.

Daze
08-19-2008, 03:40 AM
japanese baseball bat porn :w00t::w00t::w00t:

SpikedRocker
08-19-2008, 03:58 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/19/georgia.russia.war/index.html

NATO to discuss conflict after the deadline for Russia to pull troops back passes.

A little late I think...

Red
08-19-2008, 04:16 PM
Crazy fucking footage from inside of a car being shot at:

http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=89063&videoChannel=1

These journalists are fucking lucky to be alive

GMan
08-20-2008, 02:01 AM
^ one of the journalists lost his eye.

Any way..

Russian soldiers drive off in a U.S. military vehicle left in Georgia after a joint U.S.-Georgian military exercise. In Washington, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said officials were looking into the reported thefts. Russian troops rolled into Georgia on Aug. 8 after Georgia launched an assault in the Georgian breakaway region of South Ossetia.

http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/5/7/570553/1219181043158.JPEG
http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/5/7/570552/1219181002580.JPEG

Italian Jew
08-20-2008, 11:03 AM
oh shit....

GTA Georgia

PotshotPolka
08-20-2008, 11:34 AM
Well that explains why the entire Georgian army is outfitted in snazzy digital camo and new generation kevlar vests, glad to see a customer enjoying his purchase.

SpikedRocker
08-22-2008, 04:13 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/21/russia.georgia/index.html

Russians to pull out starting today, should last 10 days. If they hold up to this, I think I'd be satisfied that the conflict has subsided.

Slavic
08-22-2008, 09:44 PM
Lets see if they actually follow this, seeing how every cease fire and promise they made didn't hold water.

SpikedRocker
08-26-2008, 10:39 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/26/russia.vote.georgia/index.html
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/europe/08/26/russia.vote.georgia/art.ossetia.jpg

Russia has offically recognized the two sepretists regions of Georgia as independants. Most of the G7 members have condemed this motion. The Head of NATO says this violates UN security council decrees to hold Georgian sovernty. This step is possibly towards Russia's annexation of the two seperatists regions.

Repeat
08-26-2008, 10:41 AM
The Devil (Russia) went down to Georgia...they were lookin' for some countries to steal...



Shit is GONNA GO DOWN.