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Red
03-30-2008, 12:56 PM
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Combatengineer
03-30-2008, 12:59 PM
They don't have blue skys, nice trees and freedom. That's what I got from this thread.

Red
03-30-2008, 01:01 PM
Correct

LitKey
03-30-2008, 01:05 PM
blah blah blah i like to pretend to be women on the internet and red makes ignorant assumptions

^ Why Riggs is a dumbass (AKA: Emma, Jessi, Hodges, Kye, and whatever the fuck else the dumbass pre-op Chris Crocker calls himself now)

Hodges
03-30-2008, 01:27 PM
Litkey, I'm going to ask nicely for you to stop, because this is seriously out of line. I have never done anything to you, or anyone else here.

Italian Jew
03-30-2008, 01:30 PM
Well...how about this

Reasons why democracy sucks...

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5391/georgewbushpicturecl2.jpg


http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1975/cheney4724104wa0.jpg


http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5343/4690745411b96f1a84dgp3.jpg
^^^^Nasty ass river near DC

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/213/dsc4661qi9.jpg
Another beautiful day in DC

http://pekingduck.org/archives/iraq.jpg

http://tryworks.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/iraq-child.jpg

http://www.georgevreilly.com/blog/content/binary/iraq-torture-dogs-thumb-tm.jpg

OK, how about these...

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/558/redsquarekr0.jpg
OH GOD, SO HORRIBLE


http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6030/moscowcommunistdemoay7.jpg

OH NOES....SO DANGEROUS


http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2856/1000387fs8.jpg

Ok, this is the last straw...it just looks SO DAMN PEACEFUL!!!


lol, looks like if you select pictures carefully, they can both look good and bad....hmmmm... you're argument is fail :rlol:

LitKey
03-30-2008, 01:31 PM
Litkey, I'm going to ask nicely for you to stop, because this is seriously out of line. I have never done anything to you, or anyone else here.

Except pretended to be a girl, lied about your parents dying (daddy died in iraq and mommy died of cancer) to gain sympathy from the community so you could abuse your admin without getting in trouble from Henda for it, and betraying all of our trusts.

Freak.

Captain Colon
03-30-2008, 01:33 PM
lol, looks like if you select pictures carefully, they can both look good and bad....hmmmm... you're argument is fail :rlol:
Seriously...


I don't see the point of this thread.

EvInReaLife
03-30-2008, 01:33 PM
^ Why Riggs is a dumbass (AKA: Emma, Jessi, Hodges, Kye, and whatever the fuck else the dumbass pre-op Chris Crocker calls himself now)

:shocked: Wait, what is going on here?

Red
03-30-2008, 01:36 PM
Just trying to figure out why the fuck so many young people think it sucks here so bad and think we should convert to communism/socialism.

Seriously what the shit.


I love leftist/communist college kids. I don't know how many friends I had like that who quickly changed once that good ole w-2 came in.

Captain Colon
03-30-2008, 01:43 PM
Just trying to figure out why the fuck so many young people think it sucks here so bad and think we should convert to communism/socialism.

Seriously what the shit.
http://www.hightowerlowdown.org/sites/hightowerlowdown.civicactions.net/files/images/cartoon_200204.jpg
http://www.barrycrimmins.com/images/news/news-ChildLabor.jpg
http://www.apa.si.edu/ongoldmountain/gallery2/Pictures2/2RAILROA_12.jpg
http://www.scienceclarified.com/everyday/images/scet_03_img0268.jpg


look at me i can use pictures with no context to make freedom look bad

Hodges
03-30-2008, 01:43 PM
Communism itself isnt a bad idea. In fact communism in its true form is not being used anywhere at the moment. Socialism is, and its failing because of the people running it.

Once again, lit key, back the fuck off. You have absolutely no grounds to be harassing me like this, nor to be accusing me of being someone else. Youre probably the one following me through servers and spamming "GO DIE RIGGS", too, right? Asshole.

LitKey
03-30-2008, 01:50 PM
Communism itself isnt a bad idea. In fact communism in its true form is not being used anywhere at the moment. Socialism is, and its failing because of the people running it.

Once again, lit key, back the fuck off. You have absolutely no grounds to be harassing me like this, nor to be accusing me of being someone else. Youre probably the one following me through servers and spamming "GO DIE RIGGS", too, right? Asshole.

^ Why Riggs shouldn't make ignorant assumptions (C WUT I DID THAR)

And sorry to disappoint, but I have better things to do then follow around your woman-in-a-man's-body ass in servers, you shitbag. You're gone now anyway.

Zero001
03-30-2008, 01:53 PM
look at me i can use pictures with no context to make freedom look bad
Thats not even an answer.

Nimbus
03-30-2008, 01:55 PM
Interesting...

anyways, some people need to stop PMS-ing on here. You know who you are guys...

P.S. not Litkey as I have no bloody idea why he is here

Nimbus
03-30-2008, 02:03 PM
I know... Jew did that and got banned from the forums...

Captain Colon
03-30-2008, 02:09 PM
P.S. Yes I am a Communist sympathiser. But who cares? If you don't like the fact I have a Soviet flag on my wall then lynch me. All it is is a political idealogy. The moment anyone speaks out against America you guys get testy and start changing the subject, or editing posts. I'm not going to go out and join a hermitage in the woods and start a rebellion.
I can only hope that one day you will see what the liberal media conspiracy has done to you!

Maybe this will help you remember how great freedom is:
http://www.amphi.com/teachers/fvaccaro/images/56FEF8F8C9EC41A99CF41D39D7DF9107.jpg


In all seriousness, I find Tampon's ability to turn ANY thread into a Red Scare quite impressive. I'm pretty sure that even the name Red Tampon is a freudian slip and he's really a self-loathing communist

Dracula
03-30-2008, 02:11 PM
Well me thinks Communism and Democracy suck you need to have a balance between the 2 and others.:001_cool:

Nimbus
03-30-2008, 02:13 PM
People try to make that point sometimes and the paranoid people start blasting away at them...they were raised up in the cold war and know nothing but ignorance

zero
03-30-2008, 02:18 PM
They don't have blue skys, nice trees and freedom. That's what I got from this thread.

We don't have freedom here in the states, either. Just the illusion of freedom.

Dracula
03-30-2008, 02:21 PM
Thats true me thinks.

Captain Colon
03-30-2008, 02:23 PM
Well me thinks Communism and Democracy suck you need to have a balance between the 2 and others.:001_cool:
Communism and Democracy aren't mutually exclusive...in fact I think you could say that democracy is required for true communism.

Captain Colon
03-30-2008, 02:29 PM
Never heard of it, but any commentary on "US Democracy" (if that's what it's about) is inherently flawed as the US is a representative republic and not a true democracy.

Nimbus
03-30-2008, 02:31 PM
Yep, but those crazy idiots like using stereotypes and thinking we are so much better than the world

LitKey
03-30-2008, 02:32 PM
We don't have freedom here in the states, either. Just the illusion of freedom.

The fact that you're here able to be bitching about an "illusion of freedom" on an online forum like a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist shows that you have an immense amount of freedom. You think you'd fucking be able to do that in North Korea? Of course not.

Omega
03-30-2008, 02:32 PM
as the US is a representative republic and not a true democracy.

+1

Captain Colon
03-30-2008, 02:36 PM
Political Science is an Arts degree at most schools :thumbup1:

EvInReaLife
03-30-2008, 02:39 PM
Nimbus- Banned
Italian Jew- Banned

Wtf?

matt 187
03-30-2008, 02:43 PM
Nimbus- Banned
Italian Jew- Banned EvInReaLife-banned

:thumbup:

zero
03-30-2008, 02:47 PM
The fact that you're here able to be bitching about an "illusion of freedom" on an online forum like a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist shows that you have an immense amount of freedom. You think you'd fucking be able to do that in North Korea? Of course not.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.

Freedom is more than just talking about said things on an online forum. Thats only a small slice of the pie.

Do you honestly think that we are living in a free society?

LegalSmash
03-30-2008, 02:54 PM
Quote:Political Science is an Arts degree at most schools.

Political Science is a way to exit undergrad without a marketable degree at most schools, thereby ensuring future employability at Bennigans.

I should know. I wanted to be Batman and Freud...(a shiny donkey to whomever gets the pun). Thank God for Law School and economics.

Captain Colon
03-30-2008, 03:01 PM
an Arts degree

a way to exit undergrad without a marketable degree
potato, potatoe....

zero
03-30-2008, 03:02 PM
The fact that you're here able to be bitching about an "illusion of freedom" on an online forum like a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist shows that you have an immense amount of freedom. You think you'd fucking be able to do that in North Korea? Of course not.

To add, "Reporters without Borders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders)" ranks the U.S. 48th in regards to freedom of the press. Freedom of the press is definitely a form of speech. We are 5th when it comes to economic freedom (http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/countries.cfm). You can blame this fight on the "War on Terror" for the latest drop.

Also, 1 out of every 100 (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08060/861421-85.stm) (1%) of Americans are behind bars! Thats the highest in the entire world when looking at sheer numbers, and we're only 4.55% of the worlds population. How many Americans are jailed due to non-violent crimes?

Freedom? We've got a long way to go and we're headed in the wrong direction.

LegalSmash
03-30-2008, 03:06 PM
somewhere over 50% are nonviolent drug crimes (cough cough)

zero
03-30-2008, 03:09 PM
somewhere over 50% are nonviolent drug crimes (cough cough)

Exactly! I didn't want to bring this up because its obvious what most of the offenders are being incarcerated for. Whats funny is that I am against this "War on Drugs", yet, I am forced to fund it.

zero
03-30-2008, 03:13 PM
Lets go ahead and bring racism into the equation. Here's another nugget of information in regards to this War on Drugs :

Of the 249,400 state prison inmates serving time for drug offenses at year end 2004, 112,500 (45.1%) were black, 51,800 (20.8%) were Hispanic, and 65,900 (26.4%) were white.

Only 12.7% of the United States population is Black or African-American.

http://drugwarfacts.org/racepris.htm
http://infoplease.com/ipa/A0884133.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American

VirDeBello
03-30-2008, 03:15 PM
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.

Freedom is more than just talking about said things on an online forum. Thats only a small slice of the pie.

Do you honestly think that we are living in a free society?

lol So where else would you like to live? Would you want to live in Africa where there is no laws and society so you can do as you damn please? lmao Where else in the world would you want to live? And don't come with answers saying oh well if we change how the government works or theories or some bullshit, just say where else would you want to live that you believe you would be "free".

Yes living in a form of government like ours and many others around the world give you certain freedoms like speaking your voice and doing shit we do everyday. We may not be exposed the truth and be told lies but our government but you know what.....we ain't starving to death, we aren't getting shot at (lol depends where yah live ;P) we don't have mass genocide going on and we have families and friends and all that good shit everyone even you and me take for granted. We all do. But you know....you could live in Africa or Middle East and have the right to bear arms with no restrictions, there will be no laws saying you can't shoot your wife, kill the village or tribe next to yours or any of that fun shit that those lucky bastards over there git to do. Yeah now that I fucking think about it, living in America sucks, living with democracy sucks :thumbdown: *joking*

If yah don't like the country, gtfo.

LegalSmash
03-30-2008, 03:15 PM
I agree there. I think its futile, not that I think drugs are not an unconstructive way to spend time, but I dont think more than 10 million dollars should have gone to this now 20+ year "War on Drugs". They lowered the crack sentences already, and applied that ruling retroactively, so there IS no point for it anymore... but thats the trouble witht he govt, no real way to take the money back from them unless you put in sunset provisions.

LegalSmash
03-30-2008, 03:22 PM
I go to an HBCU and was a criminology major, i went over these statistics alot but:


Of the 249,400 state prison inmates serving time for drug offenses at year end 2004, 112,500 (45.1%) were black, 51,800 (20.8%) were Hispanic, and 65,900 (26.4%) were white.

Only 12.7% of the United States population is Black or African-American.

Black men 18-25, primarily lower income levels do not behave themselves according to the law.

Honestly, a LOT of it is just that...
I am NOT denying that there is the effects of prejudice and racist dick cops in there, but its not the majority.

See the thread regarding lowbrow thug culture and the resultant chavs in england. Its the Culture, moreso than the persons individually.

We let it get out of control here. They arent held to a standard because the white people are all too shit scared of seeming racist for saying "Stop acting like a fucking _______" and appreciate the rights everyone that died, was beaten, jailed, etc. in the 1850-1960s went through, and the higher echelons of the black community dont want to "talk about it" but rather pretend it is not their problem.

There is no accountability in the black american community. This results in a disproportionate amount of incarceration.

This is no way is intended to be racially offensive, but rather eye opening. I've been at my school nearly three years now, and we have heard this amongst the school since day one... the thing is, they wont make light of it, and when someone like bill cosby says something about it, they get all mad because they dont want the rest of the world to think that they also feel that way.

IMHO if there is one thing I learned in law school with my peers is that being a middle/upper middle class black person is HARD socially, because you have to deal with the drag-asstic shitbags in the lower echelons of society casting ALL the accomplishments you may have achieved in a pejorative light.

Its the same for any minority in this country.

I'm not tearing down the Black community in this country, I will say thought that the media pushed hip hop culture that is so readily embraced, the thug mentality, the willingness to act with little regard for the safety or interests of other fellow citizens lands them in jail at a disproportionate rate.

zero
03-30-2008, 03:26 PM
lol So where else would you like to live? Would you want to live in Africa where there is no laws and society so you can do as you damn please? lmao Where else in the world would you want to live? And don't come with answers saying oh well if we change how the government works or theories or some bullshit, just say where else would you want to live that you believe you would be "free".


VirDeBello, thats a great question and I get asked that all the time. I have the utmost respect for the United States and I do love it here. I love what the country is founded on (freedom) and what we are supposed to stand for. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. This is also why I'm politically active in this arena. For the record, I donated a total of $1500 to Ron Pauls campaign during his last two money bombs.

I just feel that our nation is moving in the wrong direction. It actually wouldn't bother me that much if it weren't for the fact that people keep telling me how free we really are when we really aren't.

This is why I respect Captain Colon's opinion. At least he admits that he likes Socialism. I just hate it when a person waves the American flag around touting how free they are and how capitalism owns, then turns around and supports all of these socialist programs.

I guess I hate ignorance.

LegalSmash
03-30-2008, 03:28 PM
I guess I hate ignorance.

QFTMFT

phatman76
03-30-2008, 03:29 PM
Lets go ahead and bring racism into the equation. Here's another nugget of information in regards to this War on Drugs :

Of the 249,400 state prison inmates serving time for drug offenses at year end 2004, 112,500 (45.1%) were black, 51,800 (20.8%) were Hispanic, and 65,900 (26.4%) were white.

Only 12.7% of the United States population is Black or African-American.

http://drugwarfacts.org/racepris.htm
http://infoplease.com/ipa/A0884133.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American

okay, the war on drugs is NOT racist. Just because certain ethnic groups are more likely to commit certain crimes because a majority of them are in a lower socioeconomic position than another group doesn't make the incarceration of such criminals racist. That idea, drawn to a logical conclusion, would mandate that all jails have a make up reflecting the racial diversity of society. That is so stupid that I am about to shit myself.

As for the war on drugs being a good or bad idea, that is a more arguable point. I believe the outlawing of drugs is a good idea. First off, drugs are unhealthy, if we can outlaw transfats we can sure as hell outlaw meth. Drugs inevitably cause violent crime, whether it be abuse, robbery, or homicide. When a coked out maniac wants to get his next fix so badly he robs a convenience store and kills the clerk, then drugs are BAD. I don't care if some people can do drugs and not fuck up society, some do, and will, inevitably. I say that instead of locking up drug dealers we deport them somewhere far away, like the Mongolian Steppe, where they can't do any more damage to our society. As for users in jail, we should make it clear that if they don't quit they can get their asses tossed out of the country too. I don't want to have my cities and my land dirtied up and made dangerous by people who are addicted to narcotics and other dangerously addictive drugs.

Captain Colon
03-30-2008, 03:39 PM
okay, the war on drugs is NOT racist. Just because certain ethnic groups are more likely to commit certain crimes because a majority of them are in a lower socioeconomic position than another group doesn't make the incarceration of such criminals racist. That idea, drawn to a logical conclusion, would mandate that all jails have a make up reflecting the racial diversity of society. That is so stupid that I am about to shit myself.
This is actually untrue in a sense. If you look at a lot of early anti-drug legislation, you can see that it was pretty specifically targetting jazzers and migrant workers from south of the border, groups that were generally thought to be hazardous to hard working white folk at the time.

Ironically, the laws that people used to try and put minorities down in the past now ends up being their easy ticket to air jordans and rollin in escalades. The war on certain drugs is a fucking farce. I almost always shit a brick when I see people mention drug dealing and gang violence in the same paragraph, because nobody seems to get the fucking connection. How do people think gangs get most of the money? What "turf" do people think most gangs fight over? Get rid of the profitability of the drug trade and see how much money gangs have left to wage war without it...I'm pretty sure prostitution and extortion aren't gonna make up the difference.

VirDeBello
03-30-2008, 03:40 PM
VirDeBello, thats a great question and I get asked that all the time. I have the utmost respect for the United States and I do love it here. I love what the country is founded on (freedom) and what we are supposed to stand for. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. This is also why I'm politically active in this arena. For the record, I donated a total of $1500 to Ron Pauls campaign during his last two money bombs.

I just feel that our nation is moving in the wrong direction. It actually wouldn't bother me that much if it weren't for the fact that people keep telling me how free we really are when we really aren't.

This is why I respect Captain Colon's opinion. At least he admits that he likes Socialism. I just hate it when a person waves the American flag around touting how free they are and how capitalism owns, then turns around and supports all of these socialist programs.

I guess I hate ignorance.

Yeah, I agree with you there to man, lol sorry for the cursing I just got a bit charged up. And like I said if we wanna do something about the problems we need to stop being sheep and step up to the plate. Remember, America was founded through "terroristic" actions and thats how freedom and liberty was achieved too bad no one is willing to do that anymore or even speak their mind because they are afraid of being labeled racist or to offend anyone. Its a bunch of bullshit that is going around.

zero
03-30-2008, 03:41 PM
First off, drugs are unhealthy, if we can outlaw transfats we can sure as hell outlaw meth. Drugs inevitably cause violent crime, whether it be abuse, robbery, or homicide.

Marijuana isn't unhealthy (http://www.njweedman.com/10_marijuana_facts.html). It can also be used for medicinal purposes. Why is it illegal?

As for that last sentence, let me correct it. Its this War on Drugs that cause violence, not the drugs themselves.

Red
03-30-2008, 03:55 PM
So get off your high horse, because if you really wanted to prove why Communism sucks and America is so much better I'd expect years of scholary and writings backed up by political evidence.


I just look at years of my immediate family and my girl friend's family being killed by communists. That's enough "political evidence" for me. Do you have family that was killed by Soviet and Chinese backed communists?

If you do then I truly am saddened by that and your support of its "ideals".

I put that ahead of some fucking ivory tower scholarly ass hat, or college and highschool kids who haven't been touched by it.

LegalSmash
03-30-2008, 04:02 PM
^ dont forget my family

Red
03-30-2008, 04:03 PM
Indeed. I meant to include yours.

Captain Colon
03-30-2008, 04:15 PM
I just look at years of my immediate family and my girl friend's family being killed by communists. That's enough "political evidence" for me. Do you have family that was killed by Soviet and Chinese backed communists?

If you do then I truly am saddened by that and your support of its "ideals".

I put that ahead of some fucking ivory tower scholarly ass hat, or college and highschool kids who haven't been touched by it.
Do you have anything besides "COMMUNISM RAPED MY MOTHER AND MURDERED MY BROTHER!!11!1!!1!"? A hillbilly tried to sell me valium once, I guess that means all hillbillies are drug-pushing lowlifes huh?

You sound like you've been "touched" by it like middle-class foreign kids are "touched" by their parents' poverty and hardships which were long gone before the kids were even born.

Red
03-30-2008, 04:36 PM
Do you have anything besides "COMMUNISM RAPED MY MOTHER AND MURDERED MY BROTHER!!11!1!!1!"?

Excuse me, are you fucking saying that having family raped and murdered is a fucking joke and should be taken lightly? This isn't something that happened to my family hundreds of years ago. This was my Mother's family, not some long lost part of my family tree.

My Uncle who is ALIVE told me about floating in a boat with 30 people from Vietnam to Malaysia and having to dump dead bodies into the water so they wouldn't get sick.

My Mother had to go back to Vietnam after gaining French citizenship to negotiate the release of my Grandparents and Aunts.

What the fuck does you Hillbilly analogy have to do with fucking anything?

What's your fucking excuse for being totally out of touch? Michael Moore?

Captain Colon
03-30-2008, 04:41 PM
What's your fucking excuse for being totally out of touch? Michael Moore?
You're the one making up ridiculous BS about a political philosophy based on your own personal bias, and I'M the one who's out of touch? Okay buddy.

You could try coming up with a better insult than "LOL YOUR VIEWS ARE SIMILAR TO THAT OF X EXTREME LEFTIST FIGURE" too, it's getting old.

Red
03-30-2008, 04:44 PM
Way to totally dodge anything I just said regarding having family directly impacted by your love.

Red
03-30-2008, 04:46 PM
Closing this thread at Haggard's request.

Still leaves me baffled and honestly saddened to see so many young people warped.